1 00:00:06,650 --> 00:00:03,860 Brenda this is for you notice that the 2 00:00:08,870 --> 00:00:06,660 title is a question mark because I don't 3 00:00:10,610 --> 00:00:08,880 know the answer to the question so I'm 4 00:00:12,770 --> 00:00:10,620 not telling I'm not going to tell you 5 00:00:15,890 --> 00:00:12,780 anything that's true I'm going to be 6 00:00:18,230 --> 00:00:15,900 talking about an ongoing project the 7 00:00:21,410 --> 00:00:18,240 ongoing project has ups and downs and 8 00:00:23,179 --> 00:00:21,420 discoveries and surprises and so Sarah 9 00:00:25,130 --> 00:00:23,189 and I will be talking about this ongoing 10 00:00:27,830 --> 00:00:25,140 project and actually the next speaker 11 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:27,840 Mike Turner is in on this but we're not 12 00:00:31,220 --> 00:00:29,490 going to have a definitive answer for 13 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:31,230 you we're gonna have a whole lot of data 14 00:00:38,889 --> 00:00:35,010 that's very very suggestive and so the 15 00:00:41,630 --> 00:00:38,899 question can we capture store and 16 00:00:43,369 --> 00:00:41,640 reproduce healing and get the healer out 17 00:00:46,069 --> 00:00:43,379 of the equation that's really the 18 00:00:48,410 --> 00:00:46,079 question so you think in terms of well 19 00:00:51,350 --> 00:00:48,420 take a battery can we put healing in a 20 00:00:53,600 --> 00:00:51,360 battery and what would store it and what 21 00:00:56,720 --> 00:00:53,610 how do we deliver it and that's the 22 00:00:58,670 --> 00:00:56,730 ongoing project so I've been working on 23 00:01:01,099 --> 00:00:58,680 anomalous healing research for quite a 24 00:01:03,439 --> 00:01:01,109 bit of time now and I'm only going to 25 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:03,449 talk about the last bullet the first the 26 00:01:07,820 --> 00:01:06,090 the parameters of anomalous healing what 27 00:01:10,429 --> 00:01:07,830 makes it work better what makes it work 28 00:01:13,039 --> 00:01:10,439 less well I mean you have to you have to 29 00:01:16,700 --> 00:01:13,049 understand at this point it does healing 30 00:01:18,590 --> 00:01:16,710 exists is a stupid question and anyone 31 00:01:20,660 --> 00:01:18,600 who is still entertains data they 32 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:20,670 they'll say something like well I know 33 00:01:25,010 --> 00:01:22,650 you've done all these experiments but if 34 00:01:27,380 --> 00:01:25,020 you could do it in my lab you know then 35 00:01:29,630 --> 00:01:27,390 I believe you and and so would you do 36 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:29,640 the same thing you've done 85 times and 37 00:01:32,960 --> 00:01:31,170 do it with just one more time and that 38 00:01:35,270 --> 00:01:32,970 will convince me that's not going to 39 00:01:37,719 --> 00:01:35,280 convince anybody people who want to look 40 00:01:40,130 --> 00:01:37,729 at data will see that healing exists 41 00:01:40,899 --> 00:01:40,140 what are the parameters this belief 42 00:01:46,429 --> 00:01:40,909 matter 43 00:01:47,990 --> 00:01:46,439 and I can keep going these are 44 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:48,000 interesting questions not as healing 45 00:01:53,450 --> 00:01:50,810 real we I've looked at physiological 46 00:01:55,190 --> 00:01:53,460 correlates using EEG s and functional 47 00:01:58,609 --> 00:01:55,200 MRIs so that's not going to be the focus 48 00:02:01,130 --> 00:01:58,619 today the weak link in all of my studies 49 00:02:02,749 --> 00:02:01,140 of course is a theoretical model and in 50 00:02:04,020 --> 00:02:02,759 months Bruce is going to be going in a 51 00:02:06,750 --> 00:02:04,030 little while and he's going to 52 00:02:08,790 --> 00:02:06,760 hopefully provide us with some very very 53 00:02:10,620 --> 00:02:08,800 interesting conceptual ideas that can 54 00:02:14,010 --> 00:02:10,630 try to make sense of some of these crazy 55 00:02:16,050 --> 00:02:14,020 data but today we want to talk about 56 00:02:18,660 --> 00:02:16,060 practical applications can we bottle it 57 00:02:20,490 --> 00:02:18,670 can we put in a battery and if so what's 58 00:02:22,199 --> 00:02:20,500 the carrier what do we need to make the 59 00:02:24,270 --> 00:02:22,209 battery out of what do we need how do we 60 00:02:26,970 --> 00:02:24,280 bottle it what are the characteristics 61 00:02:29,610 --> 00:02:26,980 of the bottle things like that and if we 62 00:02:34,500 --> 00:02:29,620 can put it in a battery if we can put in 63 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:34,510 a bottle then we can make it scalable so 64 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:37,450 that's the plot I've done a lot of 65 00:02:42,570 --> 00:02:39,010 experiments I'm not going to talk about 66 00:02:44,850 --> 00:02:42,580 even a small percentage of them these 67 00:02:46,020 --> 00:02:44,860 are in vivo experiments with mice I'm 68 00:02:48,809 --> 00:02:46,030 only going to show a couple of mice 69 00:02:51,630 --> 00:02:48,819 pictures but these are in in vivo so 70 00:02:53,130 --> 00:02:51,640 I've studied at City University and and 71 00:02:55,290 --> 00:02:53,140 and and then a whole bunch of 72 00:02:58,559 --> 00:02:55,300 experiments different kinds of cancers 73 00:03:01,620 --> 00:02:58,569 in particular different kinds of cancers 74 00:03:04,020 --> 00:03:01,630 in different places even crazy things 75 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:04,030 like nude mice extremely aggressive mice 76 00:03:07,890 --> 00:03:06,130 I have all boatload I just keep going 77 00:03:09,870 --> 00:03:07,900 with the experiment after experiment of 78 00:03:11,970 --> 00:03:09,880 in vitro data which Sarah will be 79 00:03:14,990 --> 00:03:11,980 talking a little bit about now but I 80 00:03:18,449 --> 00:03:15,000 come with a reasonably long history of 81 00:03:21,150 --> 00:03:18,459 research and a boatload of data points 82 00:03:24,330 --> 00:03:21,160 and I can demonstrate the first one 83 00:03:27,900 --> 00:03:24,340 isn't particularly interesting anomalous 84 00:03:30,199 --> 00:03:27,910 healing does it happen yes time to move 85 00:03:32,370 --> 00:03:30,209 on it's not an interesting question I 86 00:03:35,910 --> 00:03:32,380 can demonstrate though that there's a 87 00:03:37,500 --> 00:03:35,920 dose response and so I don't know 88 00:03:39,660 --> 00:03:37,510 exactly what the dose should be in every 89 00:03:41,759 --> 00:03:39,670 indication but I can demonstrate it's 90 00:03:43,890 --> 00:03:41,769 not the focus for today that there is a 91 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:43,900 dose response it's not healing you know 92 00:03:48,680 --> 00:03:46,090 hocus-pocus or magical thinking kind of 93 00:03:50,910 --> 00:03:48,690 stuff something is being delivered and 94 00:03:52,979 --> 00:03:50,920 something is being delivered not all at 95 00:03:54,660 --> 00:03:52,989 once I don't think it's energy even 96 00:03:57,509 --> 00:03:54,670 though people talk about energy healing 97 00:03:59,819 --> 00:03:57,519 I consider it more information but 98 00:04:01,440 --> 00:03:59,829 that's another talk but there is a dose 99 00:04:03,030 --> 00:04:01,450 response if you want to talk to me on 100 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:03,040 the side I can show you how I came to 101 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:05,530 that conclusion I can also demonstrate 102 00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:08,250 that healing is not a linear response 103 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:10,750 that it occurs rather in phase 104 00:04:14,580 --> 00:04:13,090 transitions that you don't have 105 00:04:16,060 --> 00:04:14,590 something like something gets a little 106 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:16,070 better a little better a little bit 107 00:04:20,410 --> 00:04:18,530 a little better rather healing sometimes 108 00:04:22,840 --> 00:04:20,420 all symptomatically at least it gets 109 00:04:25,180 --> 00:04:22,850 worse and then suddenly it reverses and 110 00:04:28,810 --> 00:04:25,190 so it's almost as if the condition 111 00:04:31,450 --> 00:04:28,820 collapses and we see this in humans we 112 00:04:34,450 --> 00:04:31,460 see this in mice we see this in cell 113 00:04:37,330 --> 00:04:34,460 cultures we see this all over the place 114 00:04:39,490 --> 00:04:37,340 healing is a nonlinear response and it 115 00:04:42,400 --> 00:04:39,500 also has methodological implications in 116 00:04:44,740 --> 00:04:42,410 the sense that if I do an experiment and 117 00:04:46,930 --> 00:04:44,750 let's say I've got a bunch of mice and I 118 00:04:48,910 --> 00:04:46,940 give them whatever I give them and we're 119 00:04:50,350 --> 00:04:48,920 going along and I stop the experiment at 120 00:04:53,530 --> 00:04:50,360 the end of a week and when I'd say well 121 00:04:57,790 --> 00:04:53,540 it failed but if I got two weeks it's 122 00:04:59,890 --> 00:04:57,800 dramatically different and so there's a 123 00:05:04,240 --> 00:04:59,900 wall so to many logical implications 124 00:05:05,710 --> 00:05:04,250 from non-linearity I'm reasonably 125 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:05,720 confident at this point but not the 126 00:05:09,730 --> 00:05:07,370 focus of this talk that healing is 127 00:05:11,350 --> 00:05:09,740 information rather than energy out there 128 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:11,360 in the world people talk about energy 129 00:05:15,610 --> 00:05:13,010 healing I don't think there's any energy 130 00:05:17,170 --> 00:05:15,620 I think the energy is in the Healey not 131 00:05:20,530 --> 00:05:17,180 in the healer and I don't think any 132 00:05:22,780 --> 00:05:20,540 energy is transmitted I can demonstrate 133 00:05:24,610 --> 00:05:22,790 but not today that there's a resonant 134 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:24,620 bond between healer and healing that's 135 00:05:29,170 --> 00:05:26,930 fluid I can show face locking of brains 136 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:29,180 at a distance using EEG s using 137 00:05:34,390 --> 00:05:31,490 functional MRIs using you see something 138 00:05:36,610 --> 00:05:34,400 links physically separate groups 139 00:05:40,570 --> 00:05:36,620 together whether it's human to human 140 00:05:42,490 --> 00:05:40,580 human to Mouse cell to cell you can you 141 00:05:46,000 --> 00:05:42,500 can touch something bonds them together 142 00:05:47,680 --> 00:05:46,010 not the focus of this talk I can also 143 00:05:49,510 --> 00:05:47,690 demonstrate not the focus of this talk 144 00:05:51,280 --> 00:05:49,520 that that healing is not due to a 145 00:05:54,250 --> 00:05:51,290 particular state of mind on the part of 146 00:05:58,900 --> 00:05:54,260 the healer belief I suspect probably 147 00:06:01,240 --> 00:05:58,910 retards healing belief on the part of 148 00:06:03,910 --> 00:06:01,250 the healer retards healing belief on the 149 00:06:06,340 --> 00:06:03,920 part of the Healey retards healing it's 150 00:06:09,250 --> 00:06:06,350 it's pretty interesting healing is 151 00:06:11,350 --> 00:06:09,260 rather an autonomic response to need and 152 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:11,360 I'm gonna couple of slides that might 153 00:06:13,900 --> 00:06:13,130 indicate that but it would be a talk 154 00:06:18,490 --> 00:06:13,910 unto itself 155 00:06:20,530 --> 00:06:18,500 and I keep going on and on and on so for 156 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:20,540 today the question is can we put in a 157 00:06:25,110 --> 00:06:23,810 bottle can we stick in the battery can 158 00:06:27,180 --> 00:06:25,120 we make a nap 159 00:06:29,370 --> 00:06:27,190 the heal around the killer app I don't 160 00:06:31,740 --> 00:06:29,380 whatever you want to call it who else so 161 00:06:33,990 --> 00:06:31,750 just a couple of pictures of the SSE 162 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:34,000 folks have seen hundreds and hundreds of 163 00:06:38,940 --> 00:06:36,970 my studies and slides and they're sick 164 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:38,950 of it and for the newbies said just a 165 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:42,010 couple of slides here the basic model 166 00:06:46,770 --> 00:06:43,930 that I use is I take something off the 167 00:06:49,770 --> 00:06:46,780 shelf meaning an already proven existing 168 00:06:51,450 --> 00:06:49,780 model a mouse model in in this 169 00:06:54,930 --> 00:06:51,460 particular mouse model there's more than 170 00:06:56,940 --> 00:06:54,940 2000 published experiments you know 171 00:06:59,280 --> 00:06:56,950 what's going to happen to them and I 172 00:07:01,320 --> 00:06:59,290 introduce a single variable what happens 173 00:07:03,090 --> 00:07:01,330 if I put healing into the equation what 174 00:07:04,890 --> 00:07:03,100 changes I mean that's basically the 175 00:07:07,020 --> 00:07:04,900 model whether you're dealing with cell 176 00:07:09,750 --> 00:07:07,030 cultures are you dealing with mice what 177 00:07:12,450 --> 00:07:09,760 happens if i interject healing into the 178 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:12,460 into the model in this particular one we 179 00:07:17,370 --> 00:07:14,050 got a bunch of mice that die within a 180 00:07:19,560 --> 00:07:17,380 month and and this is probably the most 181 00:07:22,050 --> 00:07:19,570 commonly used experimenter the most 182 00:07:24,830 --> 00:07:22,060 commonly published experiment it's it's 183 00:07:27,719 --> 00:07:24,840 ugly research in non metastatic cancer 184 00:07:29,279 --> 00:07:27,729 you inject a mouse and and the tumor 185 00:07:31,710 --> 00:07:29,289 gets bigger and bigger and bigger you 186 00:07:34,529 --> 00:07:31,720 don't need to be a biologist one leg is 187 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:34,539 gone inside the tumor the fur is falling 188 00:07:38,250 --> 00:07:36,010 out the eyes are dull this is 189 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:38,260 essentially a dead mouse and we 190 00:07:44,490 --> 00:07:42,090 introduced into this off-the-shelf model 191 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:44,500 the variable of healing so in particular 192 00:07:49,590 --> 00:07:46,570 we try to get really really good-looking 193 00:07:51,719 --> 00:07:49,600 people to put their hands put their 194 00:07:53,730 --> 00:07:51,729 hands around the cage one of our 195 00:07:55,310 --> 00:07:53,740 mysteries is that ugly people can't heal 196 00:07:57,960 --> 00:07:55,320 we don't know what that's about 197 00:08:00,420 --> 00:07:57,970 I'm trying to get a grant for that and I 198 00:08:03,029 --> 00:08:00,430 think what we'll find out tonight how to 199 00:08:05,610 --> 00:08:03,039 get that so why can't I Glee people heal 200 00:08:07,350 --> 00:08:05,620 so we introduce healing and and the 201 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:07,360 healing is extraordinarily boring and 202 00:08:11,460 --> 00:08:08,950 you treat cage after cage after cage 203 00:08:14,250 --> 00:08:11,470 after cage in this particular experiment 204 00:08:17,129 --> 00:08:14,260 there are six rooms going on I just 205 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:17,139 don't out anybody else so there's other 206 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:19,090 faculty members in different rooms doing 207 00:08:21,719 --> 00:08:20,650 the same thing there's students in there 208 00:08:24,690 --> 00:08:21,729 and they're doing the technique that 209 00:08:27,020 --> 00:08:24,700 that I developed and and you do that and 210 00:08:31,170 --> 00:08:27,030 then you get pretty interesting results 211 00:08:33,659 --> 00:08:31,180 the tumors grow and then the tumors 212 00:08:37,110 --> 00:08:33,669 start to develop a blackened area and 213 00:08:39,500 --> 00:08:37,120 then the tumors ulcerate and the 214 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:39,510 ulceration can be really 215 00:08:44,820 --> 00:08:42,370 you think that was a sick mouse turns 216 00:08:46,230 --> 00:08:44,830 out that's almost a cured Mouse and very 217 00:08:48,030 --> 00:08:46,240 soon after this you're gonna have a 218 00:08:52,740 --> 00:08:48,040 phase transition and the thing is just 219 00:08:57,200 --> 00:08:52,750 going to heal so we deal with a model 220 00:09:00,960 --> 00:08:57,210 that has 100% death and we get 100% cure 221 00:09:04,350 --> 00:09:00,970 you don't need to do stats it says the 222 00:09:06,930 --> 00:09:04,360 statistician and some give you a quick 223 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:06,940 illustration of a phase transition this 224 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:09,100 is a particular Mouse it's a different 225 00:09:13,230 --> 00:09:11,440 Mouse and less picture but you see it's 226 00:09:15,450 --> 00:09:13,240 not the ulcerations not as big this is 227 00:09:19,670 --> 00:09:15,460 22 days subsequent to injection I'll 228 00:09:24,060 --> 00:09:22,830 that's a phase transition and so we're 229 00:09:25,860 --> 00:09:24,070 not talking about I'm getting a little 230 00:09:28,170 --> 00:09:25,870 better I've got cancer 231 00:09:31,500 --> 00:09:28,180 histology will show cancer in that and 232 00:09:33,990 --> 00:09:31,510 then it's gone and so if I had stopped 233 00:09:36,090 --> 00:09:34,000 this a couple of days earlier then I 234 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:36,100 would say no the healing didn't work but 235 00:09:40,050 --> 00:09:37,810 if you carry it out long enough suddenly 236 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:40,060 that's going to be a transition and so 237 00:09:44,700 --> 00:09:42,130 once again because it's really cool to 238 00:09:46,140 --> 00:09:44,710 look at Here I am six days later and 239 00:09:48,090 --> 00:09:46,150 that's the biologists pulling back the 240 00:09:49,830 --> 00:09:48,100 fur looking for where it was if you 241 00:09:51,570 --> 00:09:49,840 don't pull back the fur and there's no 242 00:09:53,790 --> 00:09:51,580 sign of cancer and the mouse will live 243 00:09:55,560 --> 00:09:53,800 its entire lifespan more than that it's 244 00:09:59,520 --> 00:09:55,570 immune to further injections for its 245 00:10:01,230 --> 00:09:59,530 entire life you can do it with people 246 00:10:02,550 --> 00:10:01,240 but you have to deal with very small 247 00:10:05,100 --> 00:10:02,560 people because they don't fit in a cage 248 00:10:09,130 --> 00:10:05,110 necessarily 249 00:10:09,850 --> 00:10:09,140 and they squeal I don't know we don't 250 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:09,860 know what that's about 251 00:10:13,420 --> 00:10:12,170 again I'm seeking a grant for that but 252 00:10:14,889 --> 00:10:13,430 you'll see stuff you don't want to see 253 00:10:16,900 --> 00:10:14,899 and then suddenly you'll see stuff that 254 00:10:18,970 --> 00:10:16,910 you do want to say you can do this by 255 00:10:20,710 --> 00:10:18,980 thermal imaging you can do this by you 256 00:10:23,860 --> 00:10:20,720 know cancer markers you can do this in a 257 00:10:27,639 --> 00:10:23,870 whole variety of different ways so the 258 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:27,649 question is can we bottle this what 259 00:10:33,550 --> 00:10:30,410 stores healing and what can we use I 260 00:10:35,410 --> 00:10:33,560 think a battery is a better analogy okay 261 00:10:39,190 --> 00:10:35,420 can we use this it and stick this in a 262 00:10:41,290 --> 00:10:39,200 battery and can we do this in biology or 263 00:10:43,090 --> 00:10:41,300 should we take a biological approach to 264 00:10:45,340 --> 00:10:43,100 this or should we take a physical 265 00:10:48,970 --> 00:10:45,350 approach to this what's the best way to 266 00:10:51,100 --> 00:10:48,980 make a battery so the first thing we got 267 00:10:53,470 --> 00:10:51,110 to do is we see if can healing be stored 268 00:10:55,569 --> 00:10:53,480 and what can it be stored in and it 269 00:10:58,810 --> 00:10:55,579 turns out it seems to be able to be 270 00:11:04,290 --> 00:10:58,820 stored both in biology and as well as in 271 00:11:06,550 --> 00:11:04,300 stuff we'll show you that in a second so 272 00:11:08,470 --> 00:11:06,560 we'll just do the highlighted one say 273 00:11:10,300 --> 00:11:08,480 I've already said mice are immune to 274 00:11:13,930 --> 00:11:10,310 repeatedly injections of cancer once 275 00:11:15,970 --> 00:11:13,940 they're cured now this next bullet is 276 00:11:18,310 --> 00:11:15,980 reasonably interesting an infected mouse 277 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:18,320 can be cured by cell transplantation 278 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:21,890 from a treated mouse this I'm saying is 279 00:11:26,740 --> 00:11:24,050 a storage facility this is biological 280 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:26,750 storage and just as a side thing we've 281 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:28,610 killed through cell lines you get a 282 00:11:32,530 --> 00:11:30,410 mouse cheek it's got a tumor and you 283 00:11:33,010 --> 00:11:32,540 grind it up you see that it moves 284 00:11:35,980 --> 00:11:33,020 forward 285 00:11:38,199 --> 00:11:35,990 well we kill the cell line but that 286 00:11:41,980 --> 00:11:38,209 means some happen something biologically 287 00:11:44,290 --> 00:11:41,990 is going on so stupid little cartoon 288 00:11:47,139 --> 00:11:44,300 here you got a mouse on the left that 289 00:11:49,750 --> 00:11:47,149 has been treated with with the healing 290 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:49,760 and it's got an ulceration and you take 291 00:11:54,370 --> 00:11:51,770 some cells out and you stick it into 292 00:11:57,540 --> 00:11:54,380 another Mouse without further treatment 293 00:12:00,759 --> 00:11:57,550 of the healing and everybody's cure 294 00:12:03,699 --> 00:12:00,769 something's in the mouse and that's what 295 00:12:06,750 --> 00:12:03,709 I mean by biological storage now what if 296 00:12:10,660 --> 00:12:06,760 we treat stuff well this is a particular 297 00:12:14,260 --> 00:12:10,670 experiment done at UC San Diego where we 298 00:12:18,019 --> 00:12:14,270 treat stuff the nutrient in which cells 299 00:12:22,519 --> 00:12:18,029 are grown and so the question is can 300 00:12:25,419 --> 00:12:22,529 can we store healing in in the medium so 301 00:12:28,970 --> 00:12:25,429 we treat that we ship it off to a lab 302 00:12:31,759 --> 00:12:28,980 and give you another example of phase 303 00:12:33,939 --> 00:12:31,769 transition this is a week we're just 304 00:12:38,470 --> 00:12:33,949 gonna do this crudely over here is 305 00:12:42,019 --> 00:12:38,480 controls and here are stuff that's been 306 00:12:44,539 --> 00:12:42,029 grown in the treated medium at full and 307 00:12:46,909 --> 00:12:44,549 and half dilution and and what we have 308 00:12:49,460 --> 00:12:46,919 here is after one week nothing happens 309 00:12:51,349 --> 00:12:49,470 if you take a mouse earlier what and you 310 00:12:53,449 --> 00:12:51,359 look at it nothing happens but suddenly 311 00:12:55,460 --> 00:12:53,459 everything changes at the end of one 312 00:12:56,869 --> 00:12:55,470 week nothing happens there's no change 313 00:12:58,819 --> 00:12:56,879 in growth there's no change in the 314 00:13:01,699 --> 00:12:58,829 process there's no and then suddenly in 315 00:13:03,710 --> 00:13:01,709 the second week it explodes in this 316 00:13:07,039 --> 00:13:03,720 particular case the treated medium acts 317 00:13:11,659 --> 00:13:07,049 as a contributor to the acceleration of 318 00:13:15,109 --> 00:13:11,669 growth so cancer cells thrive in treated 319 00:13:18,530 --> 00:13:15,119 medium notice please healing is not 320 00:13:21,530 --> 00:13:18,540 killing and so cancer cells as cancer 321 00:13:24,889 --> 00:13:21,540 cells is the client of the healer if 322 00:13:27,439 --> 00:13:24,899 they're given exposed to healing then 323 00:13:28,849 --> 00:13:27,449 they explode they they thrive if you we 324 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:28,859 haven't done this yet if we stick it 325 00:13:33,650 --> 00:13:30,689 into a mouse I'm predicting it'll 326 00:13:35,329 --> 00:13:33,660 collapse I'm almost always wrong Brenda 327 00:13:37,429 --> 00:13:35,339 so don't don't write that down yeah so 328 00:13:42,979 --> 00:13:37,439 but we got to find out because he'll I 329 00:13:44,989 --> 00:13:42,989 don't know if we treat water bottles so 330 00:13:46,729 --> 00:13:44,999 the previous was organic this is not 331 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:46,739 organic we treat water bottles in this 332 00:13:50,239 --> 00:13:48,689 course is generates turf if we treat 333 00:13:51,979 --> 00:13:50,249 water bottles and we treat the water 334 00:13:55,699 --> 00:13:51,989 bottles we feed them to mice we never 335 00:13:58,489 --> 00:13:55,709 meet those mice get cured - it would 336 00:14:01,220 --> 00:13:58,499 appear healing is being stored in water 337 00:14:03,439 --> 00:14:01,230 it would appear it's being stored in a 338 00:14:05,090 --> 00:14:03,449 mouse it would appear it can be stored 339 00:14:06,949 --> 00:14:05,100 in a Cell medium of course we have no 340 00:14:09,109 --> 00:14:06,959 idea what the technology is behind this 341 00:14:10,869 --> 00:14:09,119 and what is possible to store it in and 342 00:14:16,159 --> 00:14:10,879 what it's not possible to store in 343 00:14:18,529 --> 00:14:16,169 ongoing research project but before we 344 00:14:20,599 --> 00:14:18,539 get all the Tindall and and Jerry goes 345 00:14:22,819 --> 00:14:20,609 marching off and says hey you can store 346 00:14:24,060 --> 00:14:22,829 healing in water it turns out that 347 00:14:25,970 --> 00:14:24,070 healing turn 348 00:14:29,130 --> 00:14:25,980 has tremendous amounts of methodological 349 00:14:31,880 --> 00:14:29,140 complications in particular we have this 350 00:14:35,970 --> 00:14:31,890 resonant bonding 351 00:14:37,860 --> 00:14:35,980 it's a article of faith in out there 352 00:14:40,980 --> 00:14:37,870 probably outside of this room that 353 00:14:43,740 --> 00:14:40,990 physically separate things are 354 00:14:46,050 --> 00:14:43,750 independent of each other and it turns 355 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:46,060 out in the healing stuff we take mice 356 00:14:50,460 --> 00:14:48,370 and we physically separate them we treat 357 00:14:54,090 --> 00:14:50,470 this they don't seem to really be 358 00:14:57,330 --> 00:14:54,100 separate and so we have the problem of 359 00:14:58,530 --> 00:14:57,340 even those parts of our experiment this 360 00:15:01,380 --> 00:14:58,540 is going to come up with something 361 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:01,390 called meaning peels we think later even 362 00:15:05,340 --> 00:15:03,490 parts of our experiment or mice or cell 363 00:15:07,830 --> 00:15:05,350 cultures or whatever which are not 364 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:07,840 treated but are part of our conceptual 365 00:15:13,140 --> 00:15:10,810 experiment they also seem to get the 366 00:15:18,270 --> 00:15:13,150 treatment and so we have incredible 367 00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:18,280 methodological problems so if I treat 368 00:15:22,710 --> 00:15:20,890 this case of mice and there's another 369 00:15:27,030 --> 00:15:22,720 case of mice over here that's a control 370 00:15:29,550 --> 00:15:27,040 and this group gets treated also was it 371 00:15:31,290 --> 00:15:29,560 the water was it really the medium or it 372 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:31,300 was something else going on so it turns 373 00:15:38,010 --> 00:15:33,610 out healing research is pretty difficult 374 00:15:40,560 --> 00:15:38,020 methodologically so here's an example of 375 00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:40,570 an experiment it's not really to scale 376 00:15:47,010 --> 00:15:43,660 but we had more than three cages we got 377 00:15:49,350 --> 00:15:47,020 cages here a hundred metres apart away 378 00:15:51,690 --> 00:15:49,360 is a control not seen by any of the 379 00:15:53,580 --> 00:15:51,700 volunteer healers we also had second 380 00:15:56,250 --> 00:15:53,590 controls that we didn't know the healers 381 00:15:59,510 --> 00:15:56,260 didn't know even existed and over here 382 00:16:02,100 --> 00:15:59,520 we've got labs of the exact same mouse 383 00:16:04,920 --> 00:16:02,110 now this is actually gonna be a lead-in 384 00:16:09,690 --> 00:16:04,930 to a months but the the if you believe 385 00:16:12,390 --> 00:16:09,700 in field effects and this extends to a 386 00:16:13,770 --> 00:16:12,400 certain distance anything presumably in 387 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:13,780 the range of the field should be 388 00:16:22,410 --> 00:16:19,450 affected but here's what happens these 389 00:16:25,470 --> 00:16:22,420 other labs independent mice died on 390 00:16:28,590 --> 00:16:25,480 schedule same exact mouse model our mice 391 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:28,600 get cured control mice get cured this 392 00:16:33,270 --> 00:16:30,490 happens in 16 experiments in six 393 00:16:35,370 --> 00:16:33,280 different labs and the land the control 394 00:16:36,150 --> 00:16:35,380 mice not known to the healers are also 395 00:16:40,200 --> 00:16:36,160 getting cured 396 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:40,210 so we need some model that what's the 397 00:16:44,540 --> 00:16:42,850 influence and what's the extension of 398 00:16:48,620 --> 00:16:44,550 the influence and what ties it together 399 00:16:55,230 --> 00:16:53,670 bonds appear to be fluid and an 400 00:16:57,090 --> 00:16:55,240 interesting area will be trying to 401 00:17:00,720 --> 00:16:57,100 figure out the laws of bonding and 402 00:17:03,090 --> 00:17:00,730 unbonded bottles can be broken this is 403 00:17:06,420 --> 00:17:03,100 my all-time favorite experiment this is 404 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:06,430 to scale these are five pages filled 405 00:17:11,550 --> 00:17:09,610 with mice on a single lab bench and we 406 00:17:14,309 --> 00:17:11,560 have a controlled lab that's in the 407 00:17:16,470 --> 00:17:14,319 building and we have a second control 408 00:17:22,110 --> 00:17:16,480 site trying to get these suckers to die 409 00:17:24,870 --> 00:17:22,120 sent to another city three of them the 410 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:24,880 healers or biologists they don't believe 411 00:17:28,650 --> 00:17:26,650 in healing they think healing is crazy 412 00:17:30,600 --> 00:17:28,660 all that kind of stuff two of the 413 00:17:32,130 --> 00:17:30,610 healers are not biologists they don't 414 00:17:33,750 --> 00:17:32,140 believe in healing they think healing is 415 00:17:36,810 --> 00:17:33,760 crazy the only difference is one of my 416 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:36,820 ologist one aren't we told the 417 00:17:40,590 --> 00:17:38,650 biologists if there's to control some 418 00:17:43,590 --> 00:17:40,600 place in the building don't go look for 419 00:17:47,970 --> 00:17:43,600 them now if you tell students not to 420 00:17:50,670 --> 00:17:47,980 look for them okay they said and they 421 00:17:52,230 --> 00:17:50,680 keep that they didn't look for them they 422 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:52,240 just went there for ten minutes you know 423 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:53,890 so that in their heads they didn't look 424 00:17:59,790 --> 00:17:56,490 for them now here's what was happening 425 00:18:02,820 --> 00:17:59,800 the control mice were dying on schedule 426 00:18:06,000 --> 00:18:02,830 as predicted as per history and the 427 00:18:07,860 --> 00:18:06,010 biologists went to peek at them and as 428 00:18:09,650 --> 00:18:07,870 soon as the biologists Pete they weren't 429 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:09,660 there they swear more than 10 minutes 430 00:18:13,920 --> 00:18:12,010 the control mice started to go into the 431 00:18:17,070 --> 00:18:13,930 remission pattern and they were 432 00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:17,080 eventually cured now here's the 433 00:18:22,820 --> 00:18:19,150 interesting part the biologists mice 434 00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:22,830 died and near treat them every day and 435 00:18:29,520 --> 00:18:26,320 they died and the non biologists mice 436 00:18:33,450 --> 00:18:29,530 lived and the control mice it was only 437 00:18:36,450 --> 00:18:36,060 a lot of head scratcher goes on in this 438 00:18:41,490 --> 00:18:36,460 field 439 00:18:42,779 --> 00:18:41,500 no layered anomalies this is a wonderful 440 00:18:44,940 --> 00:18:42,789 experiment now here's the other thing 441 00:18:47,190 --> 00:18:44,950 I'm not gonna put this slide up so I 442 00:18:49,019 --> 00:18:47,200 won't put it up here because this is 443 00:18:50,580 --> 00:18:49,029 kind of a violation of every AIA cut 444 00:18:52,169 --> 00:18:50,590 principle there is but in this 445 00:18:55,019 --> 00:18:52,179 particular experiment we had everybody 446 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:55,029 take a cage home you're not supposed to 447 00:18:58,799 --> 00:18:56,890 take mice home particularly to have cats 448 00:19:00,960 --> 00:18:58,809 but you don't take a you don't take a 449 00:19:02,460 --> 00:19:00,970 cage your mice home but I wanted to see 450 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:02,470 could they do it at home I was 451 00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:04,210 predicting and I'm forgetting Brenda a 452 00:19:09,090 --> 00:19:06,880 yield I was almost always wrong I was 453 00:19:11,490 --> 00:19:09,100 predicting trying to find out can 454 00:19:13,799 --> 00:19:11,500 healing be taught if we got all the mice 455 00:19:15,779 --> 00:19:13,809 cages on a bench and there's any type of 456 00:19:17,399 --> 00:19:15,789 a field effect if any one of the five 457 00:19:19,560 --> 00:19:17,409 healers could heal they should all get 458 00:19:21,029 --> 00:19:19,570 healed but what happens if they 459 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:21,039 individually take them home and no one 460 00:19:30,269 --> 00:19:26,310 they take them home everybody's cured 461 00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:30,279 even biologists can heal at home but it 462 00:19:35,549 --> 00:19:32,830 turns out biologists can't heal at the 463 00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:35,559 lab now this goes back to the great 464 00:19:41,250 --> 00:19:38,559 Barnard grad I'm bowing the granddaddy 465 00:19:43,860 --> 00:19:41,260 of all healing research and grad founded 466 00:19:46,350 --> 00:19:43,870 McGill in the 1950s and 60s testing 467 00:19:48,060 --> 00:19:46,360 medical students what is the effect of 468 00:19:49,769 --> 00:19:48,070 medical students who intend to heal and 469 00:19:54,090 --> 00:19:49,779 it turns out they have an effect they 470 00:19:55,500 --> 00:19:54,100 healing his conclusion if you're 471 00:20:00,330 --> 00:19:55,510 sick don't go to anybody's been near 472 00:20:02,610 --> 00:20:00,340 medical school but you see the problem 473 00:20:05,100 --> 00:20:02,620 methodological problems here there that 474 00:20:07,470 --> 00:20:05,110 was it the cell medium was that the cell 475 00:20:09,419 --> 00:20:07,480 transplantation was hit the water it so 476 00:20:11,220 --> 00:20:09,429 I set up an experiment with Jerry we 477 00:20:13,289 --> 00:20:11,230 haven't done yet I set up an experiment 478 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:13,299 Jerry we got a blind for this and what 479 00:20:16,470 --> 00:20:14,830 happens to the water and what's the 480 00:20:21,750 --> 00:20:16,480 information in the water these are 481 00:20:24,830 --> 00:20:21,760 reasonably interesting questions so same 482 00:20:28,409 --> 00:20:24,840 question does it fit in the battery 483 00:20:30,090 --> 00:20:28,419 should it be a biological battery can be 484 00:20:31,980 --> 00:20:30,100 stored in biology should it be a 485 00:20:34,350 --> 00:20:31,990 physical battery seems to be able to be 486 00:20:37,139 --> 00:20:34,360 stored and stuff that's the question 487 00:20:39,019 --> 00:20:37,149 so here are my partners in crime first 488 00:20:44,260 --> 00:20:39,029 guys in the back john McMichael 489 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:47,200 being raiding who many of you know so 490 00:20:51,250 --> 00:20:49,490 we're working on this Dean has a weird 491 00:20:54,010 --> 00:20:51,260 tendency to walk around taken peoples 492 00:20:59,860 --> 00:20:54,020 temperature we don't know why that is so 493 00:21:01,540 --> 00:20:59,870 you go hi Dean he goes Mike Turner who's 494 00:21:05,950 --> 00:21:01,550 going after I just saw Mike before 495 00:21:07,780 --> 00:21:05,960 Mike's coming after us and Sarah Besim 496 00:21:09,700 --> 00:21:07,790 who is going to be going with the tail 497 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:09,710 end of this talk and we're trying to 498 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,330 figure out what's the best approach so 499 00:21:16,210 --> 00:21:13,520 these these are my partners in crime and 500 00:21:19,120 --> 00:21:16,220 now just thinking about this if you take 501 00:21:21,190 --> 00:21:19,130 a biological approach to having a store 502 00:21:22,780 --> 00:21:21,200 healing we got problems so what if 503 00:21:25,330 --> 00:21:22,790 healing could be stored and what if we 504 00:21:27,100 --> 00:21:25,340 could make a vaccine so the good news is 505 00:21:29,140 --> 00:21:27,110 we can make a vaccine the bad news is 506 00:21:31,780 --> 00:21:29,150 you hit go try to use the vaccine out 507 00:21:34,090 --> 00:21:31,790 there how'd you get the vaccine well we 508 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:34,100 we call it the hocus-pocus back seat 509 00:21:38,410 --> 00:21:36,530 what do you do so I'm trying to do an 510 00:21:40,450 --> 00:21:38,420 end run here and see if we can make a 511 00:21:43,419 --> 00:21:40,460 physical solution which would be more 512 00:21:45,730 --> 00:21:43,429 reproducible can we record it can we 513 00:21:49,660 --> 00:21:45,740 store it and can we reproduce it by a 514 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:49,670 physical storage even if we could make a 515 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:55,250 vaccine so here's the plot cotton using 516 00:21:59,680 --> 00:21:57,530 cotton this goes also back to the great 517 00:22:01,810 --> 00:21:59,690 Barnard grad he discovered that cotton 518 00:22:03,790 --> 00:22:01,820 will store energy and store healing and 519 00:22:06,790 --> 00:22:03,800 store all that kind of stuff and we have 520 00:22:09,190 --> 00:22:06,800 used this the some good use out there in 521 00:22:10,780 --> 00:22:09,200 the world apparently cotton is very good 522 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:10,790 at this and it turns out to be a healing 523 00:22:15,370 --> 00:22:12,890 potential it doesn't have it's not a 524 00:22:18,820 --> 00:22:15,380 consequence cut doesn't take in tenth 525 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:18,830 cotton takes healing potential it's the 526 00:22:23,350 --> 00:22:21,440 battery and now if someone uses it they 527 00:22:25,090 --> 00:22:23,360 can use it for X they can use it for y 528 00:22:26,290 --> 00:22:25,100 they can use it for Z it doesn't make 529 00:22:26,799 --> 00:22:26,300 any difference or everybody else knows 530 00:22:31,150 --> 00:22:26,809 about it 531 00:22:34,810 --> 00:22:31,160 cotton seems to be a donor we don't know 532 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:34,820 what else can so the question is here's 533 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:37,730 another complication can we do this it 534 00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:39,170 seems to matter if there's a healing 535 00:22:43,210 --> 00:22:41,330 need different talk but I think healing 536 00:22:47,070 --> 00:22:43,220 is brought upon by the Healy not the 537 00:22:48,940 --> 00:22:47,080 healer and here's an example of 538 00:22:49,230 --> 00:22:48,950 interesting things that happened when 539 00:22:52,800 --> 00:22:49,240 there 540 00:22:55,770 --> 00:22:52,810 need mice in my experiments no matter 541 00:22:58,710 --> 00:22:55,780 who's doing the treatment go to the left 542 00:23:00,750 --> 00:22:58,720 hand when they're sick we spin the cage 543 00:23:02,220 --> 00:23:00,760 they don't like that when the cage stops 544 00:23:04,430 --> 00:23:02,230 spinning you put your hands down and 545 00:23:06,450 --> 00:23:04,440 they'll try to move to this spot 546 00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,460 everyone in my system becomes 547 00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:08,320 left-handed that's interesting in and of 548 00:23:12,390 --> 00:23:10,900 itself but when the mice have a need 549 00:23:13,860 --> 00:23:12,400 they go to the left hand once they're 550 00:23:17,460 --> 00:23:13,870 cured they don't say that there's no 551 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:17,470 attraction to the left hand at all so 552 00:23:22,890 --> 00:23:18,610 here's an example 553 00:23:24,870 --> 00:23:22,900 these are nude mice the the cage has 554 00:23:26,940 --> 00:23:24,880 been spun and they're all they got 555 00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:26,950 tumors and they're trot they if we put 556 00:23:32,190 --> 00:23:28,570 this into a movie you'd see them 557 00:23:33,570 --> 00:23:32,200 rotating around this spot doesn't make 558 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:33,580 any difference the kind of cancer it 559 00:23:37,740 --> 00:23:36,010 doesn't emit the kind of mice this mouse 560 00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:37,750 has had its turn its gonna walk its way 561 00:23:42,900 --> 00:23:39,010 around and it would be a really 562 00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:42,910 interesting movie to shoot so we take 563 00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:45,250 cotton and the question is do you have a 564 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:46,930 need so we've taken cotton and we've 565 00:23:51,630 --> 00:23:48,850 given cell cultures that don't have a 566 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:51,640 need they're just your basic cells and 567 00:23:55,580 --> 00:23:53,650 we put cotton near the cells and nothing 568 00:24:00,420 --> 00:23:55,590 happens 569 00:24:03,030 --> 00:24:00,430 no change but if the cotton if the cells 570 00:24:06,570 --> 00:24:03,040 have a need these are cancer cells then 571 00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:06,580 we get genomic changes so in other words 572 00:24:12,510 --> 00:24:07,960 short version now we're going to get 573 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:12,520 more detail later biology in need seems 574 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:15,070 to be able to figure out whether cotton 575 00:24:20,820 --> 00:24:18,850 is charged or not so we got your basic 576 00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:20,830 out of CVS cotton and we got the 577 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:23,110 continents been applied hocus pocus to 578 00:24:28,950 --> 00:24:26,530 it it looks the same you put it under a 579 00:24:31,170 --> 00:24:28,960 microscope it looks the same but if a 580 00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:31,180 cell doesn't have a need they they can't 581 00:24:35,280 --> 00:24:33,010 tell the difference but if a cell has a 582 00:24:36,990 --> 00:24:35,290 need the cells can tell a difference in 583 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:37,000 whether Cotton's change or not their 584 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:40,330 genomic changes can gizmos technical 585 00:24:47,670 --> 00:24:43,530 terms detect whether cotton is charged 586 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:47,680 and the answer is no so far Mike's going 587 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:49,210 to talk about this in a couple of 588 00:24:55,290 --> 00:24:52,210 minutes using different but but gizmos 589 00:24:57,150 --> 00:24:55,300 off the shelf and we put cotton ear and 590 00:24:58,410 --> 00:24:57,160 we and we do that they they don't seem 591 00:25:00,660 --> 00:24:58,420 to be able to detect 592 00:25:01,980 --> 00:25:00,670 and so a question it's another question 593 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:01,990 I don't know the answer 594 00:25:06,810 --> 00:25:04,450 maybe life needs to be the detector of 595 00:25:09,630 --> 00:25:06,820 healing maybe it has to be alive too 596 00:25:12,660 --> 00:25:09,640 early to conclude that but so far it 597 00:25:15,120 --> 00:25:12,670 seems as if life has an easy life in 598 00:25:17,190 --> 00:25:15,130 need not just life life indeed has an 599 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:17,200 easier time telling whether something 600 00:25:24,180 --> 00:25:22,330 has been charged or not so we go back to 601 00:25:30,050 --> 00:25:24,190 can we record the chart you've cotton 602 00:25:34,350 --> 00:25:30,060 play it back and reproduce the Cure so 603 00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:34,360 we get Superman isn't that Dean's lab 604 00:25:38,430 --> 00:25:36,610 and ions we're not trying to be cool 605 00:25:39,690 --> 00:25:38,440 here we're doing infrared stuff we don't 606 00:25:43,370 --> 00:25:39,700 want to be blind that's really what's 607 00:25:47,250 --> 00:25:43,380 going on and Superman was watching over 608 00:25:50,750 --> 00:25:47,260 so we're in a Faraday cage of some heft 609 00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,760 it's it's big and industrial-strength 610 00:25:56,790 --> 00:25:53,440 nothing and inside we have all sorts of 611 00:25:59,280 --> 00:25:56,800 gizmos and a little setup here and and a 612 00:26:01,740 --> 00:25:59,290 little setup here and setup here and 613 00:26:03,900 --> 00:26:01,750 different kinds of detectors actually 38 614 00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:03,910 different kinds of detectors of all 615 00:26:08,250 --> 00:26:06,670 being fed into a supercomputer with how 616 00:26:10,380 --> 00:26:08,260 to be water process because we got so 617 00:26:16,350 --> 00:26:10,390 many processors and we got all that kind 618 00:26:19,940 --> 00:26:16,360 of thing so can we record not healing 619 00:26:24,120 --> 00:26:19,950 can we record the act of charging cotton 620 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:24,130 and here you have potential you're not 621 00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:25,930 doing it for particular end you're doing 622 00:26:30,810 --> 00:26:28,210 it as potential in the works here sooner 623 00:26:33,780 --> 00:26:30,820 or later we hope we'll be looking at 624 00:26:36,660 --> 00:26:33,790 healing potential charge cotton on stem 625 00:26:39,510 --> 00:26:36,670 cells potential and see what happens if 626 00:26:42,510 --> 00:26:39,520 potential means don't know the answer to 627 00:26:43,860 --> 00:26:42,520 that yet so can we tell a difference or 628 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:43,870 can we see 629 00:26:49,740 --> 00:26:46,330 can we get a something in the battery 630 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:49,750 and can can that signal reproduce the 631 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:51,730 cure and doesn't matter whether the 632 00:26:58,770 --> 00:26:56,170 detector is alive or not so we've got 51 633 00:27:02,160 --> 00:26:58,780 different recording sessions in the 634 00:27:03,450 --> 00:27:02,170 Faraday cage and we so far and Mike's 635 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:03,460 going to give more on this in a little 636 00:27:09,170 --> 00:27:06,570 bit but we buy objective measure 637 00:27:11,090 --> 00:27:09,180 of any worth we're not getting a 638 00:27:15,370 --> 00:27:11,100 reliable healing versus controlled 639 00:27:19,100 --> 00:27:15,380 difference he's going to talk about 640 00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:19,110 electromagnetic bursts but people can 641 00:27:24,140 --> 00:27:22,080 feel the damn thing I have it here 642 00:27:26,210 --> 00:27:24,150 everybody wants to listen to it later we 643 00:27:28,610 --> 00:27:26,220 can figure out a time to listen to it 644 00:27:31,660 --> 00:27:28,620 and very weird stuff happens when you 645 00:27:34,900 --> 00:27:31,670 play this recording by very weird I mean 646 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:34,910 people have physiological reactions 647 00:27:39,170 --> 00:27:37,650 conditions disappear weird stuff happens 648 00:27:42,290 --> 00:27:39,180 I have no idea Mike's gonna analyze 649 00:27:46,580 --> 00:27:42,300 what's in it for in a bit but we put the 650 00:27:48,410 --> 00:27:46,590 stuff on and people can feel it now it's 651 00:27:53,180 --> 00:27:48,420 his turf but there's not really much 652 00:27:55,550 --> 00:27:53,190 there and I think we don't know the 653 00:27:57,800 --> 00:27:55,560 people who feel it feel it in the place 654 00:28:01,460 --> 00:27:57,810 here comes the extension that they have 655 00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:01,470 a need people who seem to have this is 656 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:04,320 only loose anecdote mark problems feel 657 00:28:08,060 --> 00:28:06,330 it in the chest people who have back 658 00:28:09,770 --> 00:28:08,070 problems feel it in the back 659 00:28:14,150 --> 00:28:09,780 people have knee problems feel it in the 660 00:28:17,810 --> 00:28:14,160 knee just reporting and so the question 661 00:28:20,390 --> 00:28:17,820 is can we do that and what happens if we 662 00:28:22,850 --> 00:28:20,400 play this stuff and this Sarah is going 663 00:28:24,650 --> 00:28:22,860 to now take us down a path of what 664 00:28:28,460 --> 00:28:24,660 happens that we play this stuff to 665 00:28:30,290 --> 00:28:28,470 self-help hello ever'one I want to 666 00:28:32,410 --> 00:28:30,300 present you what we've been doing at 667 00:28:35,120 --> 00:28:32,420 relapse 668 00:28:41,300 --> 00:28:35,130 we did some genomic studies so that's 669 00:28:43,700 --> 00:28:41,310 that's we want to measure any effect of 670 00:28:47,060 --> 00:28:43,710 these recordings whether it's in vitro 671 00:28:52,060 --> 00:28:47,070 in vivo we are scientists and we want to 672 00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:52,070 prove everything so this is ours this 673 00:28:59,780 --> 00:28:56,760 this is our setup we had to be we had to 674 00:29:03,290 --> 00:28:59,790 think really hard how to expose these 675 00:29:07,150 --> 00:29:03,300 cells to the recordings we don't want to 676 00:29:10,690 --> 00:29:07,160 expose our stock cells to these today's 677 00:29:17,310 --> 00:29:10,700 this energy that it's storing it so we 678 00:29:24,940 --> 00:29:20,290 speakers inside the incubator we've got 679 00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:24,950 a amplifier that's like to a normal 680 00:29:32,170 --> 00:29:27,020 computer that place the recording and 681 00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:32,180 repeats and so we tested two recordings 682 00:29:38,290 --> 00:29:35,090 to start we have a third one know that 683 00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:38,300 we're testing right now and we play them 684 00:29:46,270 --> 00:29:40,790 sequentially to the cells with some 685 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:46,280 controls with no sound and so this was 686 00:29:52,810 --> 00:29:50,330 the designer to experiment first we I 687 00:29:58,180 --> 00:29:52,820 called it an s-1 so it was a no sound 688 00:30:00,100 --> 00:29:58,190 control one then this is so bill call 689 00:30:02,500 --> 00:30:00,110 did the full spectrum recording and I 690 00:30:07,210 --> 00:30:02,510 think Mike Turner will explain what what 691 00:30:11,230 --> 00:30:07,220 that means really I can't tell you then 692 00:30:12,970 --> 00:30:11,240 the third exposure was a whether it was 693 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:12,980 called scalar recording it was a second 694 00:30:16,780 --> 00:30:15,410 reporting and to finish we had another 695 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:16,790 set of control cells that weren't 696 00:30:25,270 --> 00:30:20,170 exposed to no no song at another point 697 00:30:27,700 --> 00:30:25,280 this design was to compare what would be 698 00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:27,710 the genomics of these cells when they 699 00:30:32,140 --> 00:30:30,650 are explicit of recording vs no sound so 700 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:32,150 hopefully we can see a difference and 701 00:30:42,190 --> 00:30:36,530 get a first idea of what to look for in 702 00:30:45,910 --> 00:30:42,200 terms of mechanism of action and also 703 00:30:48,510 --> 00:30:45,920 this control here was designed to in 704 00:30:56,550 --> 00:30:48,520 case there's any remaining effect over a 705 00:30:59,950 --> 00:30:56,560 bill called it there is not as it said 706 00:31:01,480 --> 00:30:59,960 because of the one of the theory was 707 00:31:04,780 --> 00:31:01,490 also that is energy could stay in the 708 00:31:06,330 --> 00:31:04,790 room and so you'll see that that's the 709 00:31:09,910 --> 00:31:06,340 first question we really ask ourselves 710 00:31:12,220 --> 00:31:09,920 and that tells you so we use these genes 711 00:31:14,710 --> 00:31:12,230 that were identifying the cotton study I 712 00:31:16,659 --> 00:31:14,720 didn't put a full name of the gene 713 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:16,669 because it will be just confusing for 714 00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,330 for us so here in that graph I compare 715 00:31:24,879 --> 00:31:22,399 this is different time of exposure of 716 00:31:29,080 --> 00:31:24,889 the recording so either half hour for 717 00:31:31,090 --> 00:31:29,090 our full day or two days and this is the 718 00:31:34,180 --> 00:31:31,100 level of expression of that gene so in 719 00:31:36,039 --> 00:31:34,190 why she see this was at the very 720 00:31:37,869 --> 00:31:36,049 beginning of the experiment then we 721 00:31:40,330 --> 00:31:37,879 played the recording status sales and 722 00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:40,340 then we have another set of cells that 723 00:31:45,210 --> 00:31:43,519 were not exposed to recording after the 724 00:31:48,029 --> 00:31:45,220 other cells were exposed and you see it 725 00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:48,039 there's some one significant difference 726 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:50,330 which was surprising these cells are 727 00:31:55,060 --> 00:31:52,970 supposed to have a very stable level of 728 00:31:58,210 --> 00:31:55,070 expression you don't see that every time 729 00:32:00,310 --> 00:31:58,220 point here for those who are familiar we 730 00:32:02,649 --> 00:32:00,320 just kind of graphs this these bars here 731 00:32:07,419 --> 00:32:02,659 tells us that there's no not an actual 732 00:32:09,970 --> 00:32:07,429 difference so we looked at all the other 733 00:32:13,119 --> 00:32:09,980 genes that were from that studies and 734 00:32:16,710 --> 00:32:13,129 all these this red boxes shows you that 735 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:16,720 there was actually quite a number of 736 00:32:24,749 --> 00:32:20,690 difference between these two controls so 737 00:32:27,820 --> 00:32:24,759 what the what does that tell us that the 738 00:32:30,820 --> 00:32:27,830 recording even after seems to have an 739 00:32:33,129 --> 00:32:30,830 effect on the expression of certain 740 00:32:36,779 --> 00:32:33,139 genes after the exposure which 741 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:36,789 correlates to builds resonant bonding 742 00:32:43,330 --> 00:32:40,450 idea and does the energy stay in a room 743 00:32:46,930 --> 00:32:43,340 is it storing the incubator is stored 744 00:32:53,830 --> 00:32:46,940 somewhere and kind of energy cleaner fix 745 00:32:57,310 --> 00:32:53,840 it so we worked with URI whose has a 746 00:32:59,499 --> 00:32:57,320 clean sweep spray that can clean the 747 00:33:02,200 --> 00:32:59,509 energy of the room and you see me a 748 00:33:08,529 --> 00:33:02,210 little talking without knowing very much 749 00:33:10,509 --> 00:33:08,539 I I'm a very vivid doubly deep person so 750 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:10,519 I I want to try it see if it works and 751 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:12,490 then I'll tell you oh yes that 752 00:33:17,700 --> 00:33:14,530 the energy before that I won't tell you 753 00:33:19,590 --> 00:33:17,710 it it does so why not let's try it it's 754 00:33:21,270 --> 00:33:19,600 in progress so while we're going to 755 00:33:24,030 --> 00:33:21,280 design the same we are designing the 756 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:24,040 same type of experiment well spray 757 00:33:28,230 --> 00:33:26,290 deplete the new Clean Sweep 758 00:33:30,020 --> 00:33:28,240 and we'll see if we see you will still 759 00:33:33,390 --> 00:33:30,030 see that difference between the controls 760 00:33:35,010 --> 00:33:33,400 and once we have an answer to this 761 00:33:37,530 --> 00:33:35,020 question and probably lead to more 762 00:33:45,090 --> 00:33:37,540 questions and I'll see you next next 763 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:45,100 year the second question we were asking 764 00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:47,770 ourselves well okay we have this this 765 00:33:53,940 --> 00:33:52,540 recording of killing activity does that 766 00:33:56,610 --> 00:33:53,950 do anything of the genes that are 767 00:34:00,690 --> 00:33:56,620 involving cancer well so now we're 768 00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:00,700 comparing I'm black and gray you see 769 00:34:06,330 --> 00:34:02,650 that that's the level the gene LeBell 770 00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:06,340 for four cells that are exposed to these 771 00:34:14,010 --> 00:34:09,790 recordings and you see this arrows shows 772 00:34:17,070 --> 00:34:14,020 you that for these genes not all of them 773 00:34:19,099 --> 00:34:17,080 there is a difference when the recording 774 00:34:21,869 --> 00:34:19,109 is is played to the cells the genius 775 00:34:24,510 --> 00:34:21,879 usually upregulated means there's more 776 00:34:27,119 --> 00:34:24,520 expression of that genes what does that 777 00:34:28,830 --> 00:34:27,129 mean in terms of biology we don't let me 778 00:34:31,260 --> 00:34:28,840 know now but what we know is that there 779 00:34:36,389 --> 00:34:31,270 is an effect and these experiment almost 780 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:36,399 you need to have a first give us a 781 00:34:44,940 --> 00:34:42,010 direction to look into for future 782 00:34:48,270 --> 00:34:44,950 experiment so we had this result these 783 00:34:52,710 --> 00:34:48,280 were we did that different time point as 784 00:34:56,310 --> 00:34:52,720 I was showing you so even more more 785 00:34:59,700 --> 00:34:56,320 errors that shows a difference so next 786 00:35:03,540 --> 00:34:59,710 up is what do we want to see okay we 787 00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:03,550 prove that some genes are there the key 788 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:06,400 that can be there's an effect of this 789 00:35:12,570 --> 00:35:09,570 recording we have a few uh few 790 00:35:15,359 --> 00:35:12,580 preliminary genes already to identify 791 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:15,369 what if we can probably identify more 792 00:35:19,830 --> 00:35:16,610 pathways or more 793 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:19,840 that can be modified so we enlarge our 794 00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:24,050 panel of cancers and we looked at Jesus 795 00:35:32,020 --> 00:35:27,170 or involving cancer pathways because 796 00:35:35,110 --> 00:35:32,030 those are cancer cells with the results 797 00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:35,120 that were seen in mice and this idea 798 00:35:40,660 --> 00:35:37,010 that might be an immune component to 799 00:35:42,540 --> 00:35:40,670 them to the healing process we also were 800 00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:42,550 interested in genes involving the 801 00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:47,170 immunology and information so we looked 802 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:50,630 venture genes in each path pathway I was 803 00:35:56,290 --> 00:35:53,210 a little over eighty genes so it's more 804 00:35:59,050 --> 00:35:56,300 than 160 genes and multiple time points 805 00:36:00,760 --> 00:35:59,060 so there was a pretty extensive genomic 806 00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:00,770 study that's just an example 807 00:36:04,990 --> 00:36:02,930 I'm gonna explain and I'm not gonna go 808 00:36:06,610 --> 00:36:05,000 through every single bar here that's 809 00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:06,620 just one example of the amount of data 810 00:36:16,060 --> 00:36:11,690 we accumulated and in summary so these 811 00:36:21,970 --> 00:36:16,070 here are genes that we identify in that 812 00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:21,980 first really screening that seems to be 813 00:36:28,990 --> 00:36:26,630 to respond to the to the recording that 814 00:36:32,050 --> 00:36:29,000 we were playing what's interesting is 815 00:36:34,780 --> 00:36:32,060 some of these gene are involving the 816 00:36:37,570 --> 00:36:34,790 apoptosis I don't know if anymore any of 817 00:36:40,450 --> 00:36:37,580 you is familiar with that pathway it's a 818 00:36:44,530 --> 00:36:40,460 it's programmed cell death so it's very 819 00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:44,540 very important in a lot of disease this 820 00:36:49,660 --> 00:36:46,910 pathway here telomere length is also 821 00:36:54,670 --> 00:36:49,670 very important in aging or age-related 822 00:36:57,820 --> 00:36:54,680 disease so this is a very first step 823 00:37:00,970 --> 00:36:57,830 toward possible understanding of what's 824 00:37:03,370 --> 00:37:00,980 going on to maybe explain the reaction 825 00:37:06,240 --> 00:37:03,380 of people who can who can for sensitive 826 00:37:09,270 --> 00:37:06,250 to this recording and if we can explain 827 00:37:12,610 --> 00:37:09,280 some sort of mechanism biological 828 00:37:15,540 --> 00:37:12,620 mechanism maybe we can get to something 829 00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:15,550 we can actually provide and 830 00:37:24,990 --> 00:37:20,560 people to heal so we continuing 831 00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:25,000 gathering data on on now we're going to 832 00:37:32,580 --> 00:37:27,490 look at this this it was ten genes 833 00:37:34,290 --> 00:37:32,590 little closer also we have a new 834 00:37:35,730 --> 00:37:34,300 recording that was recording me doing 835 00:37:39,540 --> 00:37:35,740 different why not I'd have a Faraday 836 00:37:42,770 --> 00:37:39,550 cage but in a knot in a cage in a studio 837 00:37:46,050 --> 00:37:42,780 there's a little improvement in the 838 00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:46,060 working conditions for Bill and we 839 00:37:50,430 --> 00:37:48,520 hopefully will begin animal studies if 840 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:50,440 we get some interesting more interesting 841 00:37:59,490 --> 00:37:56,890 results in vitro okay so we thank the 842 00:38:04,950 --> 00:37:59,500 Emerald a charitable trust for their 843 00:38:08,570 --> 00:38:04,960 support and this is it that was Bill and 844 00:38:08,580 --> 00:38:14,120 [Applause] 845 00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:16,770 you mentioned that you've done 84 846 00:38:21,270 --> 00:38:18,610 different tests I'm seeing error bars 847 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:21,280 are we correcting for multiple tests in 848 00:38:28,130 --> 00:38:23,290 terms of our probabilities of these 849 00:38:32,040 --> 00:38:28,140 experiments but your does the decision 850 00:38:35,340 --> 00:38:32,050 [Laughter] 851 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:35,350 I haven't know yeah I don't know they're 852 00:38:40,110 --> 00:38:38,050 running again the standard stuff that 853 00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:40,120 they do but I haven't come in as a 854 00:38:42,660 --> 00:38:42,130 statistical over your shoulder look 855 00:38:45,720 --> 00:38:42,670 again 856 00:38:47,430 --> 00:38:45,730 yeah if we're wrong everybody else in 857 00:39:00,810 --> 00:38:47,440 biology is wrong so but I but that's not 858 00:39:06,150 --> 00:39:00,820 an answer to your question that's a long 859 00:39:07,830 --> 00:39:06,160 answer Sam just very briefly for example 860 00:39:09,600 --> 00:39:07,840 if we're talking about traditional kinds 861 00:39:12,390 --> 00:39:09,610 of energy and I'm talking to you and I'm 862 00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:12,400 backing off then you're gonna I'll trail 863 00:39:17,010 --> 00:39:14,830 up and they get chronic healing we do it 864 00:39:18,390 --> 00:39:17,020 at different distances and such there 865 00:39:22,260 --> 00:39:18,400 doesn't seem to be any difference 866 00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:22,270 whatsoever the the you do a mouse 867 00:39:26,940 --> 00:39:24,370 experiment 2 inches you repeat it at 868 00:39:34,500 --> 00:39:26,950 2,000 miles it seems to be the same 869 00:39:37,890 --> 00:39:34,510 there's no diminishing the it's it's a 870 00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,900 complicated answer the the it also has 871 00:39:42,120 --> 00:39:39,760 to do with the kind of cancer you treat 872 00:39:46,470 --> 00:39:42,130 it turns out the more aggressive the 873 00:39:49,020 --> 00:39:46,480 cancer is the easier it is to fix so 874 00:39:51,390 --> 00:39:49,030 given similar kinds of doses to a very 875 00:39:52,770 --> 00:39:51,400 slow-growing cancer giving the same dose 876 00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:52,780 to a fast-growing cancer the 877 00:39:57,030 --> 00:39:54,310 fast-growing cancer is going to respond 878 00:39:58,980 --> 00:39:57,040 much quicker the energy is the 879 00:40:01,470 --> 00:39:58,990 information would be the same the 880 00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:01,480 energies in the system itself it's in 881 00:40:06,350 --> 00:40:04,090 the it's in the disease so very 882 00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:06,360 aggressive cancers leave very quickly 883 00:40:10,380 --> 00:40:08,530 but I mean I can keep going but you can 884 00:40:14,420 --> 00:40:10,390 see it becomes a pretty pretty 885 00:40:16,980 --> 00:40:14,430 interesting problem to try to untangle 886 00:40:19,890 --> 00:40:16,990 those Steve you're in charge so their 887 00:40:21,330 --> 00:40:19,900 hands up yeah we really are out of time 888 00:40:23,930 --> 00:40:21,340 but if you'd step to the mic real 889 00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:23,940 quickly we can maybe take one more quick 890 00:40:36,380 --> 00:40:33,300 I would my guess it is yes that's my 891 00:40:38,780 --> 00:40:36,390 guess but that's not worth a penny we 892 00:40:40,520 --> 00:40:38,790 you know I think I'm running through 893 00:40:43,220 --> 00:40:40,530 some studies I should do peace in your 894 00:40:45,890 --> 00:40:43,230 question I don't know the answer to it 895 00:40:47,930 --> 00:40:45,900 but my speculation would be yes it would 896 00:40:50,420 --> 00:40:47,940 seem it would seem that way but I can't